garywa01

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Alberta
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 12:32:04 PM
user pay system best
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Lasing

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 1:35:19 AM
Not me! I'm Libertarian, but I voted for Romney because at least he had a chance of unseating the Socialist we currently have.
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scubadaniel

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 11:32:39 PM
Hey - You voted for this crap.
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endymion

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 9:28:58 AM
How much it costs and how long it takes to charge are the key points that will determine consumer acceptance. We live an a world of instant gratification and instant results so if it means any less convenience than gasoline, it will not make an impact.
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SolarReplaceGas

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 9:26:14 AM
Well said, PetroCrap
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Lasing

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 6:36:31 AM
"supported with a $15 million grant from the Energy Department and dollar-for-dollar matches by ChargePoint"
I don't remember voting for my tax dollars to be wasted on these!
"Level 2 chargers typically add 10-20 miles to the range of the electric vehicle per hour of charging"
We don't need any of these! If I had an electric car, which I hope to some day, I would not waste hours waiting at a public charger, when I can recharge at home in my own garage while I sleep.
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ItisAJeepThing

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Tucson
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 5:21:49 AM
We need to be pushing for the increased use of abundant, cheap and clean American natural gas in the forms if CNG & LNG to replace all oil based fuels.
EVs overload our antiquated electrical distribution system and worse yet;about 30% of our electrical power is still generated by burning DIRTY COAL. We need to make the clean switch to natural gas.
Compressed Natural Gas could be quickly dispensed at all gas stations. They only need an additional high pressure tank, like for propane and a steady supply.
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TXryder

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 5:07:13 AM
Hahaha get real. Just who is going to sit around for hours while each hour charge gets you only 10-20 miles added to your battery. Also article did not say how much it would cost to charge. Compare time as to filling up with a tank of gas in a matter of minutes and getting back on the road for another several hundred miles. Some suckers would go for it.
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DutchTreatMI

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:59:00 AM
Couldn't afford one even if we wanted too.
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52MPG

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:42:46 AM
There is better technology.
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hybridaholic

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Appleton
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:33:18 AM
Get er done.
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SteelPenny

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:33:05 AM
and . . . ?
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:31:43 AM
EV charging stations taking off, with more and more EV's and plug in Inbreds this was bound to happen. Build it and they will come. There are 'free' EV charging stations up and down the I-5 corridor (Washington, Oregon, California) and some large cities and stores offer free charging stations as an enticement to get you downtown to spend that money. Walgreens and some large chain food and department stores have charging stations for a fee, usually next to the wheelchair parking areas. Use the web/internet to find the free charging stations, next to the interstates, for free fuel while traveling with an EV or plug in Inbred. What happens to the cost of electricity when there are more and more EV's and plug in Inbreds using more and more electricity to recharge vehicle batteries? NO taxpayer money should be spent for installing charging stations or offering free battery charging, it can happen on its own merit or demand with cash or a credit card. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
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erikk77

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Washington
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:24:01 AM
No subsidies for charge stations until there are subsidies for gasoline stations.
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lenasdude

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Alaska
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:20:13 AM
So
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FogCitySpotter

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San Francisco
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:15:15 AM
Good news
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WaWanderer

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Washington
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:09:45 AM
Wow, when will we sae an EVBuddy group starting up?
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Alaydown

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:06:29 AM
Until batteries are developed that can power a car for hundreds of miles without recharging, can be recharged in the time it currently takes to fill up with gasoline, and don't have to be replaced every few years, EVs will continue to be ignored as a viable alternative to gasoline power cars.
They currently cost too much and go only relatively short distances on a charge. They take hours to recharge, and not everyone has a home capable of recharging an EV since most people live in places where they cannot charge their car when they are home. Installing charging stations on the street near apartment buildings is not practical or desirable. They look bad and would only be used by a very small number of people.
This country cannot afford these $15 million grants that Obama's Energy Department gives away for these projects. I would also bet that Chargepoint got picked for this grant because of a DemocRAT crony and contributor to the Obama campaign.
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btex49

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Austin
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:04:54 AM
There is likely more upside to CNG powered vehicles than there is to EVs.
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mrjames1818

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:03:55 AM
A move in the right direction for those that need them
[Edited by: mrjames1818 at 12/1/2012 4:07:09 AM EST]
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VikingWoman

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Washington
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 4:03:44 AM
Why subsidize? Is there a tax deduction for buying an electric vehicle? If people can afford one of these expensive vehicles they are saving on gasoline and it doesn't appear they have money troubles in the first place. Some states are trying to find ways to impose a road use tax on owners of electric vehicles because they aren't paying gas tax that is used to maintain roadways. Oregon is one of these states trying to pass the law. Voters are fighting this too and I agree. Here you have someone trying to do 'the green thing' which will help the state and the economy in the long run and the state turns around and finds a way to tax and punish them for their effort. This serves to discourage others from going green.
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SBlouch

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:58:50 AM
It is about time there are more EV charging stations are being built, for if one expects the electric car to take off, it needs them available for recharging.
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UseLessGasFolks

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:55:42 AM
Electric cars are good for everyone, even those who will never own one will benefit from the reduced gasoline demand.
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LCSTEELERBOB

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Gary
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:49:43 AM
hope this works and does good
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BEngr

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:48:31 AM
Not sure I agree with the government funding these projects. When was the last time they helped pay for my gasoline fill up at the pump. Never!!!
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Thomtec

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:47:02 AM
Now who is paying for these stations?
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humblepie

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:45:51 AM
what a joke
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NedW

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:44:50 AM
Opening the article, " If Americans are ever going to embrace electric vehicles, industry observers agree that our apprehension about finding places to refuel will have to be addressed with unparalleled infrastructure development."
If they were economically practical, EVs wouldn't need one dime of tax payer subsidies or promotion.
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DRIVESFAST

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San Bernardino
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:41:45 AM
I figure you could NEVER drive one across the country unless the range was closer to 200 miles and there were charging stations at most gas stations.
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rosyLI

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:35:37 AM
More EV hype and propaganda.
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pyndasky

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:34:53 AM
Golf Carts must really upset about these darn interlopers!!!
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KentsterPA

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:32:34 AM
ok
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wshutton

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:28:25 AM
K
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TIGERPAW46

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Florida
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:23:29 AM
EVs take too long to recharge compared to filling your tank with gasoline. Also with the implementation of many more EVs The electric Grids won't handle the load if too many charge at home or on the Grid wherever they are. The Cost to Upgrade the 3 US Electric grids is Astronomical. In addition it will take 20 yrs to be able to upgrade & supply a mere 8% of todays demand by green energy to just the Eastern Grid.
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Pozole

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Portland
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:20:45 AM
...old news already...make 'em pay for that electricity, I don't want to foot their bill...
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jdhelm

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:20:41 AM
$3 to charge at the EV stations in Elk Horn, Iowa
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grandamgt1

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:20:06 AM
I'd still hook mine up at home unless I was on a long trip.
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SteveMartin

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New Orleans
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:18:24 AM
They was nothing wrong with gasoline until america put a communist in the white house that wanted high gas prices.
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radiorumor

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:18:14 AM
k
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arb0526

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:17:41 AM
ok
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kgbellman

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Ann Arbor
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:10:53 AM
Build it and they will come
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otherdave

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:56:27 AM
Yesterday's news.
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jadeusa

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:53:30 AM
Practically speaking, they should only be for commuting to work and back or very short errands. Such limited range is the problem.
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mcmonsta

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:50:35 AM
as with the automobile ,with more fueling stations...ease make for use
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Brucevanf

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New Brunswick
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:46:21 AM
That's nice but I will never need one.
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Bruno44

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:41:48 AM
None around here, and not interested anyway.
[Edited by: Bruno44 at 12/1/2012 2:43:17 AM EST]
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sch5v2

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:41:26 AM
Good!
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DisMusBeDaPlaz

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:41:11 AM
There will always be pros and cons!
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charg3rguy1991

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:39:29 AM
no thanks
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speedys

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Utah
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 2:36:02 AM
I would rather see NG filling stations.
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