honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 5:51:06 AM
rss: you're very right. EtOH has never been the answer.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 5:55:43 AM
I may not get that good a mileage ("only" 38mpg most of the time) but at least my 8 yr is paid for.
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rrs517

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 4:19:18 PM
E-85 is a scam - it not only dings the economy it dings the engine.
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335d1

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 6:22:00 AM
Still waiting for that turbodiesel hybrid.
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iFueler

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Durham
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 3:13:14 AM
as others have pointed out, it is the TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP that really counts, HOWEVER, sometimes there are up front cost, and even then most people fail to take into account the cost of money and more importantly OPPORTUNITY COSTS
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kgbellman

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Ann Arbor
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 2:20:59 AM
WOW - I can't agree enough with GasHunter0007.
This is, unfortunately, what everyone should be following . . . it's what every one of us should have learned from mom and dad years ago. They should teach stuff like this in High School. Maybe something like a personal finance class - I would bet most kids graduating from High School these days are unfamiliar with these points, or even how to balance a checkbook.
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vulcan96

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:59:53 AM
we could save even more with REAL gas , no ethanol.
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VikingWoman

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Washington
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:43:55 AM
I will keep my 2001 Ford Taurus. I don't put many miles on it a year and since I have the oil changed according to the calendar instead of miles, it's not practical to spend $20k on a new car.
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GasHunter0007

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California
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:33:02 AM
If you really want to save overall,
1. create a budget and stick to it 2. drive wisely by consolidating your errands or what not 3. save every pay day and stick to it 4. watch how much money you will have in 2 - 4 yrs; be patient; it will grow 5. if you use your cc make sure to pay it off within the 30-day period so you don't pay finance charges 6. don't spend what you don't have. be patient and save and eventually pay cash. this will help you keep track of your expenses 7. save your receipts so you know where your money is going every month 8. don't touch your savings unless you really have to
It's not just the price of gas; that's part of it. Look at the big picture. don't live from paycheck to paycheck. If you will it, you can do it. Start saving 'cause no one is going to do it for you.
[Edited by: GasHunter0007 at 1/7/2013 1:35:29 AM EST]
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ClassicWheeler

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Montgomery
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:22:28 AM
This does not save anything by purchasing a vehicle that saves energy or fuel. The costs don't add up. That is what I'm telling you for years. There is a formula that the economist are not using to feed to the liberal government or the government is choosing not to tell the people, which I believe the latter. But paying more for a vehicle to save money takes time and in the end, you are saving money by saving on gas. And with the price steadily going up from year to year. It is impossible to save money. The time you would save on the purchase of that vehicle would be on average about 9 years, 3 months. The average life of a person with a vehicle is about 4 years, 2 months. And it use to be back in the 90's only 2 years, 9 months. So where is the savings.
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furiousfowl

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:17:25 AM
ok
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wally52

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:14:36 AM
I'll keep my old one.
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gman617

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:12:51 AM
agreed
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crreed1

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:11:32 AM
keep your old car
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DirtDauber

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:11:12 AM
It doesn't seem economical to me.
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PetroScopper

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:10:45 AM
Every improvement to gas mileage helps all of us in the long run. I think the more they build fuel-efficient vehicles the better chance of consumers buying them and eventually that vehicle will go on the market as a used vehicle. Which all means that more and more energy efficient vehicles will be on the road.
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arinkrat17

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:10:02 AM
Ok
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cifuentesab

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Stockton
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:09:03 AM
too much
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mia3bxs

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Miami
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:07:42 AM
You're paying a pretty penny to help shave the cost of gas-consumption. I think the prices of both types of vehicles need to match in order to see what would really sell.
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wshokie12

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Winston-Salem
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:07:13 AM
It is too expensive to save money?
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Thomtec

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:06:50 AM
Ok
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THZebra

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:06:47 AM
Other than the Ford F-150, there was not a car on that short list I would desire at all.
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Prodaddy

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:06:44 AM
These cars are very expensive
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Bigwaynef

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:06:23 AM
Haven't taken a sip yet...
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PrinceLH

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:05:54 AM
Can't afford one.
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TBONE3

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:04:56 AM
It is becoming too much of an ordeal studying vehicle' pros and cons as well as evaluating whether you will make out on the purchase. Might as well, keep fixing up "Old Betsey"!
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obimerrill

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:04:20 AM
New cars still too expensive if to justify a new car payment
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Oldzin

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:03:30 AM
Just have top have the intelligence to look the gift horse in the mouth and figure out the payback period and what it is worth to you.
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Tiernan

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:03:24 AM
No thanks.
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ican2step

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:03:02 AM
Hummmm. Makes fiscal sense if you are a government employee.
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bobdec

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Miami
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:02:56 AM
Good Info
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Matt G

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Boston
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:02:12 AM
They should make a class five truck with ecoboast
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wang91554

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:00:54 AM
incremental improvements add up over time
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Prodaddy

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:00:35 AM
Thers seems like alot of competition
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jdevlin

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:57:56 AM
OK
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jl1rp

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:09:49 PM
good read. Bother pick up a Ecoboost F150 and does not miss the V8.
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JDchefF

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Lancaster
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:36:52 PM
Interesting, pays to do your homework on the car you are interested and check to see if there are others that may be a better deal.
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rcornel

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:16:19 PM
Interesting info.
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DesertRat2011

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 9:53:44 PM
I like my diesel Jetta
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cmgodwin

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 9:41:46 PM
I'm surprised about the altima also. looks like a good deal
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sillywagon

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New York
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:08:32 PM
A well written article. I so much want a Mazda CX-5, but I am looking at used not new for my next vehicle. :(
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mike56MI

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 7:16:15 PM
OK
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alterman156

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New York
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 5:36:19 PM
The 2013 Honda Accord is a very efficient medium sized car.
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endymion

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New York
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 5:19:23 PM
Good in the long run, but takes some time to make the outlay back.
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pilotmass

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Boston
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:55:03 PM
Love a new car. But $$$$
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paulweb

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:23:27 PM
Not shopping for a new car now.
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jjjleblanc

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Rochester
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:09:40 PM
Good to know.
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JCI46009IN

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:37:49 PM
More good news!!
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schatzila

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:22:21 PM
Right direction, just a little too slow.
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BigRedVTX

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:00:38 PM
Even E10 and the pending E15 dings gas mileage.
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