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Why the Daytona crash should change auto racing for good

Motoramic -- ......Why the Daytona crash should change auto racing for good
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Watching Saturday's crash at the NASCAR Nationwide Series race at Daytona that injured at least 24 spectators brought back some frightful memories. In 2011, at the IndyCar race in Las Vegas, I was involved in a 15-car pile-up that took the life of my friend Dan Wheldon. Racing is dangerous, and as a driver, we acknowledge and accept the risks. Despite the legalese on the back of the tickets, the fans should not face the same risks. This shouldn't have happened.
Race car drivers disengage the part of the brain that dictates fear. It’s a unique ability, and impossible to comprehend. In many ways, it’s a product of naivety, believin


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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 11:19:20 PM


Very true Blupupher!
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:05:10 AM

Spectator safety is much better than is used to be, and is safer than many other types of racing for spectators. Seen rally racing in other countries? The fans are just standing on the side of the road and often get hit, all the while the drivers keep on going.
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Straitliner
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 6:21:12 AM

NASCAR is boring.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 4:38:49 AM

There will always be something that was not planed for.
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mpg611
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:31:53 PM

NASCAR should improve safety without sacrificing the quality and speed of racing. Better yet, get rid of the restrictor plate because that creates 'pack racing' at Daytona and Talladega and that is the recipe for huge, serious accidents.
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 5:22:15 PM

Nascar has outlived it's usefulness.
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 3:40:38 PM

All they have to do is follow the FIA standards for track safety. Giles Villenue in Montreal and Circuit of the Americas are the only two that do in North America. Improved car designs with better testing and down force control would help also.

But then you don't have Darlington stripes either.
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 2:32:56 PM

Thats what a lot of spectators go for to see a crash, they just dont figure it will affect them.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 2:32:53 PM

Never happen.
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AJeepLife
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 1:16:25 PM

Spectator enjoy the spectacular specacle that is NASCAR racing

There is precious little in life -where you can spectate- and still get as much exhileration that is experienced as the sound and feel of 42 high performance muscles cars go racing by you at 198 miles per hour.

I've been down low in the grandsatnds and up higher and close but not too close is just awesome. Yes there is risk of injury, and yes you need to watch but if we look at the level of risk PER LAP PER RACE (because the risk is present for every lap)- it is so much less than even a baseball or hockey game.

I feel for those injured, and they are not to blame, nor is NASCAR, - it's God's fault.....and also give God some credit that more weren't hurt.


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jimgraham
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 1:10:10 PM

I hate to sound crass - but we all know why that retaining wall and the fence is there...... To TRY to keep the danger on the track and out of the stands.

Yes, I would like to see things 100% safe for everyone, not just the spectators. It ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:54:45 AM

It's a fast sport and overall pretty safe.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:52:27 AM

There are risks involved with an event like this. It will be difficult to make it 100% safe.
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SycamoreISU
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:49:42 AM

An impregnable fence would significantly impede the view of the track. There has to be a balance between safety and ability to enjoy what you paid to attend.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:48:26 AM

Good article...well written!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:48:20 AM

Certain sports for both participants and onlookers have risks. Evaluate that and choose how you participate.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:48:17 AM

I think they should go faster.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:46:59 AM

It's a safe sport!! This could have been a horrible accident!! Yet .. people were injured .. not seriously. I know .. some went to surgery in critical condition, yet they were upgraded to stable less than a day later. At these tracks, most people don't even sit down on the track level seats since they can't see more of the race , there. With what the vehicle did and the few people that were harmed .. the 'Catch Fence' did it's job well!! The races are safe .. leave it alone!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:46:19 AM

It's all about racing. Thank God no one was killed.
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livedream
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:46:07 AM

Not really sure why it should change anything.
The fans, as well as the drivers, know the risks associated with racing at such high speeds.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:45:25 AM

Last year people died at an air race in Nevada. Do we need plexiglass barriers between all spectators and airplanes too? People get injured at Sea World when the whales jump. People get hurt when a basket ball and an NBA player running after it head for the stands. People start itching at a flea circus. There is NO SUCH THING as complete safety in EVERYTHING. This life isn't about being safe. Why don't you go home and sit in front of your TV and get heart disease from lack of exercise. At least then you can't blame the sports entertainers for causing your injury.

I bet back in ancient Rome when a lion got loose in the stands was the first indication that all sports have inherent risk to spectators. And the first lawsuit against sports was born.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:43:51 AM

There have been car races for over 100 years, so it's nothing new. The spectator should be fully aware of the risks involved when you have cars flying around the track at 200+ mph. In view of this, I do feel, however, that the race tracks should provide much better protection for the spectators.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:43:03 AM

Leave the race alone, just make better fences.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:41:10 AM

I can enjoy the race from my safe couch.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:40:03 AM

Sad sequence of events. Hope everybody recovers.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:38:35 AM

carelessness, no respect for others...
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:38:02 AM

Sorry, I don't go to the kind of sporting events that endanger my existence. I do watch for foul balls at baseball games. I have heard of people dying of being hit in the head by foul balls.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:37:58 AM

Its car racing, you don't have to go.
If they said it was safer, and then somebody got hurt the lawyers would salivate.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:37:39 AM

I have never been a fan of racing. The fans that go to watch go because they enjoy it but the fans also expect to be safe while they watch the race. How many people have to get hurt and die before these race courses put up some kind of protective barriers like in hockey where you can still watch and be safe.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:36:57 AM

@Gramps001...another waste of fuel.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:36:52 AM

There are risks with everything. Are we going to start the national panic button over NASCAR now?!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:35:40 AM

accidents that it what it was
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:33:27 AM

NEXT? Protecting spectators at airshows??
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:32:19 AM

Read the whole story. Indy cars are to fast and do not belong on High Bank Ovals. Nascar can talk about there new car all they want, but all of these race cars rely on Down force and special tires made for each track. They need to lower the speeds of these cars. They can have racing at slower speeds and the spectator wouldn't even know it. That pack style racing bumper to bumper and three abreast is what help cause the wreck on Saturday. I am not a fan of that at all. They need to get rid of all the wings, spoilers and front air dams. Make a one speedway tire, one intermediate track and short track tire for the entire season. If the driver can't drive it, then he shouldn't be in the car. So what if he slide a little. Back when they used production cars and modified them to race, that's how they drove them. And that was Racing....
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:30:01 AM

Do away with racing and see the fuel that will be saved. Waste
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:28:16 AM

in any spectators sport there is a chance for injury or even death. the operators do the best they can but accidents still happen.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:28:03 AM

sure, what will change is that more people will try and sit closer text deleted
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:27:09 AM

if racing wasnt dangerous then who would watch it.... Bristol motor speedway use to be packed all the time but in the name of safety and economy now you can get tickets cause they cant sell them
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:26:19 AM

Risk factor in this sport can be minimized but not totally eliminated. Perhaps, that's a part of the attraction for both fan and driver.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:26:05 AM

people go to these races knowing these risks can happen yet there surprised when they do.people always stop to look at a accidents.i bet rating went up for Sundays race, because of the day before.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:25:53 AM

Never like to see someone hurt in the sport.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:25:31 AM

Is going to a car race and getting hit by a car the same risk as going to a baseball game and getting hit by a foul ball?
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:25:15 AM

As a NASCAR fan, I will say that everyone who uses the line "all race fans want to see are the crashes like ancient Romans went to the Coliseum to see blood" is showing their ignorance of the sport. An analogy would be to say that basketball is just watching tall men run back and forth bouncing a ball or that baseball is just nine guys playing a combination of "catch" and "tag".

Crashes are an accepted consequence of something going wrong, and many things can go wrong both with driver judgement and with mechanical causes. Only a most sadistic person would cheer for a wreck. Okay, maybe a one-car wreck involving KyBu would be cheered, but definitely not a multi-car wreck involving drivers minding their own business.

The problem with putting up plexiglass wall thick enough to resist a 4000 lb 200 mph projectile is that it would obscure the view and the fans won't tolerate it.

Maybe the answer is using carbon fiber instead of steel for the fence material? Carbon fiber is stronger than steel. Maybe it would be less likely to break during impact while still allowing fans to view the action. I'm sure it is prohibitively expensive, but standard chain link fencing is clearly not enough.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:24:45 AM

Safety First!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:24:43 AM

People CHOOSE to be race car drivers. People CHOOSE to attend these events. Risks are everywhere. Pick your poison.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:24:17 AM

True! The fans should be shielded better - bringing the percentage of possible harm to near zero.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:24:07 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:23:18 AM

Ok
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:22:36 AM

Safety First!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:21:52 AM

I could not have said it better, gonzohb!!!!!!!!!
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